If its on your mind, then SPEAK UP!

[Vileplume]

i bring this up cuz:
1. I already said i dealt with the last challenge about the boxes and the tie breaker and whatnot although i did call foul on it. there are 2 hosts for a reason, not just 1. But idc about it anymore.

2. If you feel something didnt rub you the right way based on the last Immunity Challenge #7 Results then say something to the admins.

3. I expressed how i felt there was some TMI said in it, not only regarding the "loop hole" but also stuff that was said that a host should not say and i gave examples of it.

You need to speak up, i dont deal with BS and shadiness in any way. You dont have to post here how you felt about it (if you even felt anything) and express that to the admins instead, cuz my voice alone is not enough to get this point across when no one else wants to speak for themselves.

If you feel a certain way, tell them and dont just go blindly following something you dont agree with.

[Jolteon]

SINCE PIKACHU FELT LIKE BEING A CHILD AND LOCKING THE LAST THREAD BEFORE I COULD COMMENT, I WILL POST IT HERE!

Oh lol this is gonna be a long one... so brace yourself

Leg me start off by saying, IF YOU wan to give me the boot, simply because one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, then go right ahead. You want us to bring stuff up to you, then when I do, I'm "crusading". THREE times I said, "these are possibilities and NOT MY PERSONAL REFLECTION of how I feel, but things that can possibly and/or probably be." Perhaps i should post that one confessional up here so that everyone can see exactly what I meant and said, because I was quite specific. I personally never accused you or seen you being accused of playing favorites, so I don't know where you are getting that from, perhaps from your own personal ego feeling hurt.
As for this:

I am not taking things too personally, but when I am constantly being told I am playing favorites and making challenges too hard, of course I'll get upset with the players. And then some of the players themselves go against the rules, so I make a mention of being annoyed at this. But did I not keep the point reduction? Did I not change the password COMPLETELY? Personally, I didn't want too, but we did keep it. Apparently, saying I'm upset you guys didn't play my challenge how I had originally planned it to be is being overly reactive.

IF YOU GO AGAINST THE RULES, I WILL MENTION IT. I WAS UPSET PLAYERS DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULES AND I MENTIONED IT. BUT THE RULES THAT WERE SET AT THE TIME WERE STILL ENFORCED. I DID NOT THROW ANYONE OUT, REMOVE THE POINT REDUCTION OR ANY OTHER TAMPERING.

If you DO NOT watch your wording of the way the rules are described, DO NOT ACCUSE PLAYERS OF 'cheating', because they actually aren't. If the forum doesn't allow a challenge to go the way you wanted it to, then thats something i expected your "pre-planned and "pretested" challenges to have already been sought out and dealt with.

FURTHERMORE...

I DID NOT SAY you punish players with challenges. WHAT I DID SAY, was that it was ONE OF MANY POSSIBLE things that players CAN THINK and/or FEEL, based on how you are coming off. Apparently we aren't able to come to you and let you know when we are unhappy and feel hurt, because we get threatened to be thrown out, VERY HOST-LIKE of you (PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE SARCASM SO IT ISN'T "misunderstood", we wouldn't want that now would we?)

In terms of this:

"This whole my way or the high way is laughable for one reason:

I AM THE HOST OF THIS GAME.READ THE RULES, IN THE EVENT OF AN ARGUMENT, BOTH HOSTS WILL DISCUSS IT AND CHOOSE THE FAIREST CHOICE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM THAT HAS COME UP. YOU ARE EXPECT TO LISTEN TO THE RULES SET OUT BY THE HOSTS. NOT EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY 100% OF THE TIME, BUT ITS WHAT WE DECIDED WAS BEST.


I have the my way or the highway attitude because if you're breaking the rules of my game, you should be called out and punished! Would you not be punished for breaking the rules of a challenge in some other game? YES. Since when should a host just sit there and let people get away with something that is not suppose to be happening? "

I agree with you on one thing, that it IS laughable. I AM LAUGHING AT YOU NOW, for the simple fact, that you failed yet again to understand what was being said to you IN PRIVATE, mind you, BECAUSE you took it as a personal attack on you, and therefore started throwing vileplume and my name out specifically in public thread, AS WELL AS, spewing out bits and pieces of what i was TRYING to privately tell you. BUT, since YOU can't be a mature host, and want to twist my words, maybe I SHOULD post that confessional I sent you PRIVATELY, so that EVERYONE can see how what I have written was in fact none other than common sense itself, and nothing more.

In terms of having the final say in a situation, that is understandable, and expected. HOWEVER, to act more like a player and not like a host IS NOT CONSIDERED THE FINAL SAY. ALSO, once again I would like to MAKE IT CLEAR, that NO RULES were broken, THAT WEREN'T ALLOWED, (penalty to a score makes it ok to do a certain strategic action, given the consequences mentioned) HOWEVER, once again, THAT TOO was addressed in my confessional, AS WELL AS the reason WHY someone would do something like that, and WHY it may have been necessary, AS WELL AS, how the CHALLENGE ITSELF was only fair BECAUSE of that penalty.

ONCE AGAIN you FAILED to recognize what i said in my confessional BECAUSE YOU WERE ONLY THINKING, "Jolteon is just against me, in everything he says, blah blah blah".

ALSO it is NOT because you "ruled against us" that players (OTHER THAN VILEPLUME AND MYSELF) feel YOU are being unfair. THERE ARE MANY REASONS, but apparently you didn't get it through your head when it was brought up to you. If you are TRULY trying to make everyone happy, then you will LISTEN AND CONSIDER what we bring up to you IN PRIVATE, WITHOUT giving away twisted portions of its contents to everyone, because if i wanted everyone to see what i sent you, i would've posted it up on here from the get go.

it is true you aren't forcing us to play, but because of the way you are handling things, you are forcing some of us to not be able to play, which was also mentioned to you, but i guess you didn't understand that either. ALSO, you told me in reply to an issue I brought up to you, that ONLY players who aren't complaining or non-ORG players, that i'm just upset and will never understand because (you feel that) i never played an org besides this one before. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, you showed me you have NO EXPERIENCE MANAGING an ORG, so that is a two-way street.

ONCE AGAIN I will remind you, if YOU want to give me the boot because YOU dont' know what YOU are doing, and CONTINUE to be a hypocrit by telling us to come to you, just to shoot us down immediately, then you go ahead and do so, nobody's forcing you to keep me on here. BUT it STILL won't change the fact that you are messing up the aspect of the game with the actions i have ALREADY told you, and you refuse to consider, which you should, instead of pulling crap like this.

[Jolteon]

I am going to bed, this game has become more of a chore than a game anyway, I'll know tmr if i was booted or not when i try to log in, tc all, good night/morning.

[Pichu]

We're done here, but I'm just curious, why is it that you haven't brought up how unfair it was when electrode posted his password and people viewed it, when that was CLEARLY the least fair thing to happen in this game?
Me and Pikachu aren't going to argue anymore, but I was just curious on that because I feel like every little thing me and Pikachu does results in tons of whining, and then someone that's actually very big and potentially very game-altering/game-ruining didn't receive any mention from players.

[Jolteon]

For the record pichu, you wouldn't know, AND I do not hold ANYTHING against you, especially on a personal level (as I had previously PM'd you in the past, realizing how certain posts came across,to which I had no response) BUT I DID say my piece about that. I didn't get to see his (electrode's) confessionals myself, but I DID hear that it was posted, and I also saw that Kangaskhan has done the same. I would also like you to know that I spoke with them (both) myself bringing it up to them. Also, I didn't bring up the "unfairness" of Ditto doing the same, so I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were not trying to add in the hidden meaning that when someone who was once in my tribe did something it was alright by me, because we have been down that road enough with different examples, and I'm done giving other examples to prove that idea wrong.

Personally, when something is wrong, I like to take it up with the source itself, thats just how I am. They were VERY wrong for doing that, I will not disagree with you there. It is why i sent you and pikachu my confessional the way I did, for the sake of it being between me and you (both), and again I want to say, that I did my best to convey that the examples given weren't REAL ACTUAL feelings that I personally felt, or that it was meant to cast stones, but it was taken that way anyway. I was merely trying to show you other possible and probable points of views from all players as a general consensus, that may have resulted from things the host (pikachu) has said, and how it may make things a bit more difficult.

And I understand how you feel, but I would like to remind you that Pikachu has done his fair share of it as well, so you guys aren't the victims on that one (not that I'm accusing you of trying to victimize yourself). Perhaps in the (short) future, you will receive some of the PMs that I got, which is partially the reason for the things I sent to you, to bring to your attention, so that something OTHER than things being fired off like a warzone, that shouldn't be said, would happen.

I can't possibly speak for others when it comes to WHY they don't come to you, but if you reread every situation where someone has complained about something, and see the way players were responded to, that alone should be enough reason to show why nobody would want to bring anything up to you guys at all. When something is brought up, we're "just whining, and complaining", when a host does it "its just merely stating how you feel". Such double-standards is discouraging enough as it is Pichu, as is telling us to come to you personally about situations, and when it IS done, threads like these occur, calling us trouble makers and threatening to kick us out.

At this point, kick me out, I really don't care anymore, but I DO hope you at least see and understand what I was trying to show you, even if nothing is done about it. Pichu I implore you, go through my confessional again, and previous posts made, you will hopefully see what I've been trying to tell you, since PMing you both hasn't gotten any responses or results.

[Jolteon]

AND FINALLY, THANK YOU VILEPLUME for speaking up as well. Unfortunately, we happen to have been in the same team almost the entire game. PERHAPS if we were on separate tribes, we would've been taken a little more seriously. -shrugs-.

I do hope that ALL OF YOU PLAYERS (you know who you are), who have PM'd me your agreeing sentiments towards ANYTHING I have posted or said, (even those of you who haven't PMd me), speak up now or forever hold your peace, since as it seems, I won't be around to be the voice of reason anymore. You don't have to do so publicly as I did (which was only because the discreet way didn't work, in MY situation), you can do it as a PM as well. I am not embarassed that my name was posted on a wall post like we're in grade school, it showed me that I speak my mind, I hope you all do the same, whether or not you agree with me. I do hope those of you who have agreed with me don't feel intimidated and pressured to all of a sudden disagree or be silent.

If in the case I am given the boot, then good luck to all of you remaining players, my email is up on my profile, in case you guys just wanna chat or say wassup, you ALL have played this game well, and creatively, and on a personal level, I think you're all (including you pichu), cool people. Now I'm gonna go send ditto an e-mail and tell 'em wassup, as different as our styles may have been in survivor, it was a dam good tactic and he almost had me, and neither he nor I hold any grudges against each other.

With that I want to remind all you players as well, because its easier said than done even though reading it sounds like a given, that this is a game that brings out the worst in players against other players for the sake of 'surviving'. Please be a good sport and remember, that its just a game and that a relationship "in-game" shouldn't affect a possible one "out-game" on a negative level. I have met some cool people in this game, that I wouldn't mind keeping in touch with when all is said and done.

[e-mail]
[e-mail] <---- My sn is the same, hit me up on aim, for those who have it.

[Slowpoke]

Slowpoke isn't sure what is going on here. Slowpoke understands Pikachu should have thought about the possibility of post deletion but do realize that the host of the game should have full authority and what they say goes. Slowpoke plays on a site where even if the host makes the most bizarre decisions, they have full authority.

Maybe Slowpoke isn't understanding the situation, but that's how Slowpoke C's it.

[Jolteon]

Oh slowpoke thats right, you just reminded me, nobody has seen what Pikachu and I were commenting on this entire time... I'll leave it up to PICHU to decide FOR HERSELF what should be done, since it is technically one of my confession posts... it may help, but for now, go to the locked thread (challenge#7 results), I was vague for the purpose of being discreet, but hopefully it is enough to give an idea, until Pichu makes her decision, whom I wish would personally email me one to one, but would understand if she didn't.

[Jynx]

to be honest,
the game isn't the problem, it's how you react to when things don't go your way
we can see your attitude through your results and you make unnecessary comments that are speculation from someone who has access to more information than we do and that is a detriment to the whole purpose of the game: outwit, outlast, outplay
for example:

"i hope you know what you're doing viridian tribe, keeping two off and on players over ditto"

as a host, you shouldn't be giving tribe's advice

even with your speculation about how members found loopholes and how the game didn't go as you intended: that outs info about strategy

you're also being hypocritical
you said in a post that you'd rather have people bring up their problems to you rather than having someone else bring it up for us, yet in one post, you focus it on jolteon as followed:

"Jolteon, I've had enough of you constantly starting up trouble."
he is bringing up and issue and you are taking offense to it

and then again, you attack jolteon and vileplume:
And to do this date, the only players who have made any mention to me about this is just two: JOLTEON and VILEPLUME

it's obvious you are trying to be as fair as possible
and i think the biggest part of your frustration is the lack of activity
and complaining about challenges

but let me speak for myself and say:
i know the challenges and twists are pre-determined
you are the host, complaints such as "too hard, too easy" should be ignored
and just go with the challenge as planned

EDIT: also i noticed you are threatening to boot players out for this discussion and that's two-fold
constant accusations of favoritism shouldn't be tolerated
but expelling people from the game doesn't fix the issue

[Ditto]

Umm can someone explain what's going on here? 0_0

[Vulpix]

welll...... i dunno EXACTLY whats going on...... but whatever.... i think this game is fair.. and if someone said a certain feature was blocked or going to be blocked.. doesnt that mean automaticy that ur not suposta do it? and if you do that something ur not suposta do.. shouldnt u get a penalty of some kind??... just a thought

[Mewtwo]

This thread is silly.

[Onix]

Lets All take a moment of silence and regain our sense of mind. Shall we?

[Mewtwo]

Better idea: Let's pretend this thread never existed and just let it die.

[Electrode]

Speaking of revealing passwords.. HERE YOU GO AHAHAHA

S.S St.Anne = raichoochoo

My confessionals = mewinashoe

The Jury = andthewinneris

My account = edorcele